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Post by Phillies (Coach) on Feb 15, 2019 12:03:01 GMT -5
To use a formula of each teams "keepers". Could have a live Lottery Draw for the Top 10 (to still keep that and from teams tanking)
Total up the ADP of the players listed as kept. (Fantrax Power Rate)
*if 2 top 50 ADP players: -750 (+50)
*if any of your 2 are in top 5: -1000 (+100)
*if no ADP for player: +1000
Example:
Phillies A. Nola 25.59 R. Hoskins 42.12 A. Medina 697.32 L. Garcia 716.1 -----------------------
1481.13 -750 (2 players top 45) = 731.13
Here is my proposed draft order for the 24 teams who have listed their keepers
TEAM Adjusted ADP ADP
1 Detroit 1800.76
2 Pittsburgh 1450.52
3 Minnesota 1423.12
4 San Diego 1409.64
5 Los Angles (A) 1361.01
6 Texas 1345.11
7 Tampa Bay 1287.13
8 Cincinatti 1010.95
9 Toronto 972.78
10 Oakland 966
11 St. Louis 963.1
12 Boston 878.63 1878.63
13 Chicago (W) 816.81
14 Brewers 781.03
15 Chicago © 775.38 1525.38
16 Kansas City 743.18 1493.18
17 Philadelphia 731.13 1481.13
19 Los Angles (D) 478.89 1228.89
20 Atlanta 454.3 1204.3
21 Colorado 377.33 1127.33
22 New York (M) 276.37 1026.37
18 Cleveland 238.83 1238.83
23 Washington -3.77 746.23
24 Houston -251.79 498.21
*Based Off Fantrax Power Number
TEAM ADJUSTED POINTS POINTS
San Diego 140.63
Detroit 148.15
Minnesota 169.41
Los Angles (A) 175.13
Cincinatti 191.6
Pittsburgh 200.63
Texas 201.45
Toronto 205.38
Tampa Bay 206.08
Kansas City 209.92 159.92
Chicago © 213.26 163.26
Atlanta 225.41 175.41
St. Louis 229.49
Philadelphia 232.6 182.6
Chicago (W) 239.04
Oakland 254.16
Los Angles (D) 255.72 205.72
Brewers 256.79
Colorado 258.48 208.48
Cleveland 282.93 182.93
Washington 284.43 234.43
Boston 285.08 185.08
New York (M) 293.67 243.67
Houston 293.98 243.98
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 12:30:37 GMT -5
I appreciate the effort that went into thinking about that system but I am not a fan. The argument can be made that “I’m sure you don’t like it because you’re the Nats and it would hurt you” and that argument would be correct. But I feel the deeper issue would be when we signed up and picked our teams that the draft order would be randomized and not based off a keeper formula. If I had know that, like many other owners I’m sure, would have considered choosing a different team like the Tigers for instance. Would have gotten an early pick in the draft (potentially first overall) where I would have had my pick of any player rather than one from a certain team, plus I would have gotten two very high quality pitching prospects. I just feel that the initial premise was a random draft and it should stay that way. If I get the 30th pick in the random order than so be it. And if it were to be voted on and the ADP formula were to win then I’d be fine with that too. I am just not in favor of diverting too much from the original plan for the league. All of us were drawn to this league the original way that it was set up and there is no need to change things before the league gets started. Just my opinion.
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Post by Phillies (Coach) on Feb 15, 2019 12:41:06 GMT -5
very well said will. there are arguments made for both sides of this. Some will say that they had to get the lower teams because they saw it later than a person, ect.
I am just throwing out an idea so that there is not a huge gap. I am fine with the way it is set up. Just want to make sure people stay in the league for the long haul.
Playing Devils Advocate: If You got random 1st pick you would have Soto, Harper/Machado, Turner... everyone else is playing catch up to the gap that is created from that... same could be said if I got it or if Harper signs with Philly and I get 1st pick... Would have Harper, Machado, Nola LOL
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Post by Royals (Alex) on Feb 15, 2019 12:45:54 GMT -5
I think it is better to go with a random draft. In a dynasty league I would have also liked to go with a team with top prospects who is in the lottery like Detroit, Padres, Toronto, MInny etc.
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Post by Royals (Alex) on Feb 15, 2019 12:48:39 GMT -5
Or even better, we could go the reverse order the team were picked )
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Post by Tigers (John) on Feb 15, 2019 12:52:53 GMT -5
Man the Tigers sure get mentioned a lot 🙂. Reverse order of sign up actually makes a lot of sense to me but whatever is decided I am fine with.
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Post by Phillies (Coach) on Feb 15, 2019 12:53:00 GMT -5
(Playing the Devil Advocate) Does this change if the teams that actually sign Harper and Machado are allowed to KEEP them and are out of the draft pool? The top pick doesnt look as good with them out of the pool dont ya think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 13:08:58 GMT -5
Again I don’t think there is a way to please everyone in situations like this or to even make things fair. I think that is why random is the best option especially since it was originally planned that way. I also do not agree with the reverse order of sign up. Sorry Tigers to keep using them as an example but should you be punished if you were a die hard tigers fan and picked them early on because you just loved the team even know their mlb keepers are poor? Or if the orioles had been picked early on? And for me personally Harper or machado signing wouldn’t have an impact because the pick itself doesn’t matter too much to me but from previous experience once you start going too far away from the original plan that was created it starts to lead to other issues down the line. This league has a great premise and hopefully a very bright future. I know all of us are trying to think of ways that can make things better but the basic idea for the league and startup was very well laid out and should be followed in my opinion. If there are issues later on they can be adjusted then but sometimes changing things before there are any actual issues can lead to further issues down the line.
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Post by Brewers (Alex) on Feb 15, 2019 13:13:57 GMT -5
I like the idea in theory, but I think using ADP deflates prospect value for dynasty leagues. For example, if all players were available in the draft, I think someone would take Vlad in the top 50 for sure, but he's outside top 50 for ADP. I think reversing order of teams chosen makes the most sense if we were to change the order, but I like the randomized order as well.
Regarding Bryce and Manny, if they haven't signed before the draft, they're free game as far as I'm concerned. Taking them out of the draft doesn't really change anything for me.
Minor note: I think you forgot to adjust LAA's ADP in the formula, unless they didn't keep Trout.
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Post by Phillies (Coach) on Feb 15, 2019 13:19:59 GMT -5
I only adjusted if you had "2" in the top 50, ex: Lindor & Ramirez. Ohtani is not top 50 but Trout is therefore they only had 1 in top 50.
I was saying if they had already signed and were kept, which I think we all can agree they would be kept. would it change how some are viewing the draft order right now in them saying they want the Tigers (mentioned again John) and prospects because they now have that opportunity to get either of those 2 players who are young and top players? Not that they should be held out of the draft all together.
Again just a thought and just creating convo. Hopefully we will see who the Yankees keep, there are some of those I like too lol.
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Post by Royals (Alex) on Feb 15, 2019 13:22:48 GMT -5
I think Vlad would go top 10...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 13:23:56 GMT -5
If Harper resigned with Nats, I’m not sure I’d keep him. In fact I probably wouldn’t do he’d still be available. I know glutton of riches but still.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 13:27:52 GMT -5
I don’t understand why we don’t just do it like every other keeper league in the world. Your first keeper counts as your first round pick, your second keeper is your second round pick etc. That way teams with no players worth keeping (me and Baltimore for instance) could get a chance at the player pool to make things more even. If not you’re going to have teams that are way better than others before the draft even starts. So congratulations you won the league because you saw the post and responded first and got to pick the teams with the best keepers. Doesn’t really gauge how good you can manage a team, it just means yoy beat everyone else to the site.
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Post by Phillies (Coach) on Feb 15, 2019 13:28:53 GMT -5
Well said again Will, but on your statement on Harper and Machado, "And for me personally Harper or Machado signing wouldn’t have an impact because the pick itself doesn’t matter too much to me." So you are saying if you had top choice they would not be picked by you? IMO them signing has a big effect on the league because they would be KEPT by their team and opening one of the others who have been labeled a keeper to be drafted as well and now are arguably the top players available for draft. I personally can say if Harper signed with Philly, Hoskins would be available and I believe he goes in 1st round of our draft.
I only proposed this as there have been some concerns on the order by some people. Just trying to help the league any way I can because I agree with you I love how the league is designed and you are correct in changing from it can hurt it, as we all know what we signed up for. But there is also nothing wrong with a good discussion, I hope to have many when it comes to trades with everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2019 13:31:57 GMT -5
And I think the Nats are more the exception to the rule rather than the rule but let’s say I would have gotten Philly for the sake of argument. Even if Harper and machado would have signed elsewhere (again if they signed with philly that would alter things) and they were not on the board, I’d still prefer to have Detroit(sorry) than Philly. I’d have 2 great prospects, draft altuve 1st, then flip him, fulmer, and castellanos for more prospects. Granted I’d be punting this year but sets me up great for the future. Whereas Philly you have really good players, a decent but not great system after the Sixto trade and dealing with 3 other potential powerhouses in the NL East and a marlins team that will probably set themselves up for the future as well.
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